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Traveller-digest     Sunday, December 19 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1530<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
[none]<BR>
Re: <BR>
[none]<BR>
Re: 101 Freshers<BR>
Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
Re: Mars exploration<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: Re Rations<BR>
Re: SF Trav game<BR>
the north american union<BR>
FFS vs LLB7/9<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1521<BR>
Robots<BR>
Re: Robots<BR>
Re: 101 Freshers<BR>
Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)...<BR>
Re: back on topic?  was: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
Belter Reference<BR>
Re: Mars exploration<BR>
Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
Re: WARNING:  Punning in Progress (Re: Silly Traveller)<BR>
Re: Merging the US and Canada<BR>
RE: Mergins the US and Canada<BR>
Re: WARNING:  Punning in Progress (Re: Silly Traveller)<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:32:07 -0500<BR>
From: "Daniel Phelps" <phelpsd@gate.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
Was written:<BR>
<BR>
>The interpretations of the Bible will continue to diverge. Islam may<BR>
>acquire a few more branches. Judaism probably won't. And both<BR>
>Christianity and Islam will generate *more* "daughter religions".<BR>
><BR>
>Examples of "daughter" religions:<BR>
><BR>
>Judaism -> Christianity, Islam<BR>
>Christianity -> Islam, "Mormons"<BR>
>Islam -> Ba'hai(sp?)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
According to what I have read of Druse "doctrine" they say the line runs<BR>
Judaism->Christianity->Islam->Druse<BR>
<BR>
They claim that each religion begot the next as a refinement and the process<BR>
culminated in the Druse religion.  I suspect to be really accurate you would<BR>
need to slip the Nestorians into the line between Christianity and Islam.<BR>
<BR>
Left out of our analysis is the Hindu->Buddhist->Taoist etc. line with the<BR>
Sikhs presumedly slipped in parallel with the Buddhists, sorry but I'm<BR>
really not that up on Eastern religions.  Just to be more inclusive wouldn't<BR>
it be appropriate to include Shinto as a line by itself?<BR>
<BR>
Dan<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 20:30:59 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: [none]<BR>
<BR>
><< Still - it does open up a whole new can (sorry) of worms.  How do the<BR>
> various races...um...well...go? >><BR>
><BR>
>We had Glenn Grant execute a drawing illustrating this dilemma for the<BR>
>upcoming Starports book. Otherwise we dodge the question. Like sex and<BR>
>religion, this is left up to the individual perver...er...pervects to decide.<BR>
><BR>
>LKW<BR>
<BR>
It was quite apparent from the applicable source materials that Ahz used<BR>
the same commodes as Skeve, Tanada, Guido, and Nunzio.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:43:40 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: <BR>
<BR>
"William F. Hostman" wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> ><< Still - it does open up a whole new can (sorry) of worms.  How do the<BR>
> > various races...um...well...go? >><BR>
> ><BR>
> >We had Glenn Grant execute a drawing illustrating this dilemma for the<BR>
> >upcoming Starports book. Otherwise we dodge the question. Like sex and<BR>
> >religion, this is left up to the individual perver...er...pervects to decide.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >LKW<BR>
> <BR>
> It was quite apparent from the applicable source materials that Ahz used<BR>
> the same commodes as Skeve, Tanada, Guido, and Nunzio.<BR>
<BR>
Otherwise, it would prove a discommoding experience....<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 20:44:53 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: [none]<BR>
<BR>
>> I have a TNE question...was there a "ship" book for the system? Like<BR>
>>supp. 7 or 9 for CT?<BR>
><BR>
>It's called 'Fire, Fusion, and Steel'.  And it talks about all kinda tech.<BR>
><BR>
Sorry, Keven, but WRONG-O! FF&S is comparable to striker and High Guard NOT<BR>
to supps 7/9. FF&S has a mere 3 vehicular designs in it.<BR>
<BR>
Supps 7 & 9 were compilations of predesigned (and in the case of 7, mapped<BR>
out) ship designs ready for play. No new rules material in either of them.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:55:39 -0600<BR>
From: "shadowcat" <meow@advancenet.net><BR>
Subject: Re: 101 Freshers<BR>
<BR>
To Quote Spider Robinson from one of the Callahans books<BR>
where a new toilet with a rotating blade was designed for <BR>
the space program "Yes, here the shit truly hits the fan"<BR>
<BR>
Shadowcat AKA Kevin Walsh<BR>
Captain of the Free Trader Beowulf<BR>
ADD/ADHD Advocate<BR>
http://www.advancenet.net/~meow<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:11:24 -0900<BR>
From: Richard Martin <asrlm@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
<BR>
Richard Wilson wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> At 07:21 PM 12/18/99 +1100, you wrote:<BR>
> >><<  A nice survival weapon for the IISS would be a bullpup 5mm/12Gauge<BR>
> >    No, Solomani's want the lefties to get hit in the face with hot brass.<BR>
> >    You can change the handedness of the weapon. Even though it is caseless<BR>
> >you need a method of getting duds out of the chamber so you need a port, it<BR>
> >just isn't open often.<BR>
> ><BR>
> Most of the survival rifles like you describe that I've seen have been<BR>
> single-shot guns that break open. (Over-under config. with the .22 on top<BR>
> and either a .410, 20 gauge, or 12 gauge on the bottom. After you shoot a<BR>
> barrrel, you have to break open the gun to reload the barrel.)<BR>
<BR>
True, IIRC the Greman Luftwaffe during WWII had an excellent survival<BR>
combo over/under. The top barrel was the standard 8mm Mauser and the<BR>
bottom a 12 gauge shotgun, the piece manufactured by the Drilling (sp)<BR>
Co. Really a fine piece and excellent for just about any terran survival<BR>
needs. One thing you probably do not need is an auto weapon. Too<BR>
cumbersom and to easy to expend (waste) what would be a limited ammo<BR>
supply.  <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Richard Martin<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I think, therefor I am, therefor I must be... Still here<BR>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:40:25 EST<BR>
From: Sethkimmel@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Mars exploration<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 12/18/99 1:13:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>
cybernaut@netzero.net writes:<BR>
<BR>
<< Speaking of making a profit in space.  Is there anything<BR>
 about asteroid mining in Traveller?  I seem to remember<BR>
 a flow-chart kind of thing in one of the TAS issues.  I<BR>
 believe that it even made it into one of the Best Of TAS<BR>
 issues.  Has there ever been anything official in the way<BR>
 of Asteroid Mining in any of the Traveller incarnations? >><BR>
<BR>
Look for the out of print classic Traveller supplement "Beltstrike". It's a <BR>
great little gem about belting and was written by the late J. Andrew Keith...<BR>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:51:56 +1300<BR>
From: "Andrew Moffatt-Vallance" <a.vallance@netaccess.co.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
From:           	"Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Date sent:      	Sat, 18 Dec 1999 20:30:27 -0500<BR>
<BR>
> From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
<BR>
> >         Go ohm with the puns already....<BR>
<BR>
> So, watt exactly are you trying to tell me?<BR>
<BR>
Only one watt, not very bright<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Andrew etc<BR>
Homepage http://users.netaccess.co.nz/amv/<BR>
Traveller http://www.downport.com/amv/<BR>
 "What do you expect from a species who's females are<BR>
 always in heat" Ko of the Ilui clan on Humans and honour<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:08:45 -0800<BR>
From: Evyn MacDude <wmacdude@worldnet.att.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
Andrew Moffatt-Vallance wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> From:                   "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
> Date sent:              Sat, 18 Dec 1999 20:30:27 -0500<BR>
><BR>
> > From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
><BR>
> > >         Go ohm with the puns already....<BR>
><BR>
> > So, watt exactly are you trying to tell me?<BR>
><BR>
> Only one watt, not very bright<BR>
<BR>
Come on guys, y'all remember how many people volted after the<BR>
last pun war.<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Evyn...<BR>
<BR>
Get six jolly cowboys to carry my coffin<BR>
Get six pretty maidens to bear up my pall<BR>
Bunches of roses all over my coffin<BR>
Roses to deaden the clods as they fall<BR>
 Laredo<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:25:43 -0800<BR>
From: Evyn MacDude <wmacdude@worldnet.att.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Rations<BR>
<BR>
shadowcat wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Memo: To Andy & Dom<BR>
><BR>
> Forget about even asking.  I am *not* writing "101 Freshers"<BR>
><BR>
> What Doug? your not willing to plunge the depths required for such<BR>
> a strange project, we need to find another loo-se canon to write it<BR>
> then, I'm feeling kinda flushed about it myself.<BR>
<BR>
Ok here is my first foray into this topic....<BR>
<BR>
For those old series scouts that required upgrade.<BR>
<BR>
1. the compactor malfunctions, backing up the system<BR>
so as the entire pipe bursts.<BR>
<BR>
2. it fails just as a customs inspection team comes aboard.<BR>
Causing the ship to be held in impound until investigators<BR>
clear as just a malfunction.<BR>
<BR>
3. as above but the investigators find some thing.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Ok there is my 3.<BR>
- --<BR>
Evyn...<BR>
<BR>
Get six jolly cowboys to carry my coffin<BR>
Get six pretty maidens to bear up my pall<BR>
Bunches of roses all over my coffin<BR>
Roses to deaden the clods as they fall<BR>
 Laredo<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:28:04 -0800<BR>
From: Evyn MacDude <wmacdude@worldnet.att.net><BR>
Subject: Re: SF Trav game<BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> At 01:27 PM 12/17/1999 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
> >At 03:55 PM 12/17/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
> >>So Doug when ARE we gonna play Traveller???<BR>
> ><BR>
> >Yeah!  When are we? ;)<BR>
> ><BR>
> >Only thing I request is that you give me plenty of time to pick up "Alien<BR>
> >Module 9: Penguins" from eBay.<BR>
><BR>
> (Looks up from Word6)  Does the phrase "deadlines" mean anything to y'all?<BR>
> Anyway, I'm not stopping anybody else in this area from starting a game...<BR>
> (goes back to describing Zhodani military tactics.)<BR>
<BR>
Ok then a quick nose count then...<BR>
<BR>
1. How many of us are there now in the Bay Area?<BR>
<BR>
2. Who's looking for a game?<BR>
<BR>
3. Availability<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Evyn...<BR>
<BR>
Get six jolly cowboys to carry my coffin<BR>
Get six pretty maidens to bear up my pall<BR>
Bunches of roses all over my coffin<BR>
Roses to deaden the clods as they fall<BR>
 Laredo<BR>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 00:37:45 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: the north american union<BR>
<BR>
It has been written:<BR>
>>Actually, how the Union occurs is unstated as it's<BR>
not the focus of the<BR>
game.  However, i figure the Canadians got so sick of<BR>
hearing us Yanks<BR>
bellyache about how awful our Presidents are that they<BR>
offered us aUnion.>><BR>
<BR>
I refer people to my earlier posts mentioning the<BR>
eventual liberation of the americas by the British<BR>
Commonwealth. THAT is how the Union occurs:)<BR>
<BR>
Remember the War of 1812? The USA _lost_. It will<BR>
again!<BR>
<BR>
No more bellyaching about Presidents when you have a<BR>
Royal Family to follow in trashy magazines!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
KA Schuant<BR>
member: Chef's Guild International, Sporting Shooter's Assoc, Amnesty Int, Carlton Soccer Club<BR>
Melbourne<BR>
Australia<BR>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:52:19 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: FFS vs LLB7/9<BR>
<BR>
On 12/18/99 at 08:44 PM,  "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net> said:<BR>
<BR>
>>> I have a TNE question...was there a "ship" book for the system? Like<BR>
>>>supp. 7 or 9 for CT?<BR>
<BR>
>>It's called 'Fire, Fusion, and Steel'.  And it talks about all kinda tech.<BR>
<BR>
>Sorry, Keven, but WRONG-O! FF&S is comparable to striker and High Guard<BR>
>NOT to supps 7/9. FF&S has a mere 3 vehicular designs in it.<BR>
<BR>
>Supps 7 & 9 were compilations of predesigned (and in the case of 7,<BR>
>mapped out) ship designs ready for play. No new rules material in either<BR>
>of them.<BR>
<BR>
Quite true.<BR>
<BR>
The main TNE book had several designs of ships and boats in the back, BL<BR>
and BR had several ships too, but there really wasn't anything like Supp 7<BR>
for TNE.  I'm sure there would have been, eventually, but alas...<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
- -- <BR>
- -----------------------------------------------------------<BR>
eris@pcola.gulf.net    using MR/2 ICE #245<BR>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 21:13:21 +1100<BR>
From: "David Healey" <David.Healey@dcb.defence.gov.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1521<BR>
<BR>
On 18/12/99, Garry Ward said :<BR>
<BR>
<Garry><BR>
20 years a systems programmer for MVS, VM & VSE: I can do so many differnet<BR>
things at once it scares the &^%&^ out of my wife.<BR>
</Garry><BR>
<BR>
Aha !  So it's all YOUR fault !  Guards ?  Take that man away !<BR>
<BR>
Now, who's to blame for UNIX then ??<BR>
<BR>
David Healey<BR>
DCB-M  MVS Operations<BR>
<BR>
600 Years ago, they KNEW the world was flat<BR>
60 Years ago, they KNEW you couldn't go faster than sound<BR>
6 Minutes ago, you KNEW your code was indestructable ......<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 21:39:44 +1100<BR>
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
Subject: Robots<BR>
<BR>
    For those of us who live in the far reaches of Tasmania and will never<BR>
have a chance to buy the Robots suppliment, does anyone have any ideas for<BR>
designing robots using the vehicle design rules?<BR>
    Jim L.<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 21:47:12 +1100<BR>
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Robots<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Jim & Peta Lawrie <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
To: TML <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: Sunday, 19 December 1999 9:50<BR>
Subject: Robots<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>    For those of us who live in the far reaches of Tasmania and will never<BR>
>have a chance to buy the Robots suppliment, does anyone have any ideas for<BR>
>designing robots using the vehicle design rules?<BR>
>    Jim L.<BR>
<BR>
    Woops! Using the megaTraveller rules!<BR>
    Jim L.<BR>
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 03:28:00<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: 101 Freshers<BR>
<BR>
At 11:55 PM 12/18/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
>To Quote Spider Robinson from one of the Callahans books<BR>
>where a new toilet with a rotating blade was designed for <BR>
>the space program "Yes, here the shit truly hits the fan"<BR>
<BR>
We *think* the comment came from a letter to Ben Bova from either Asimov of<BR>
Heinlein.  The letter included diagrams of the shuttle's then-new zero-g<BR>
toilet and a scrawled comment, "Ben- as near as I can tell, the shit's<BR>
*supposed* to hit the fan!"<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:29:57 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)...<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 11:03 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
> I'm always confused by caucasians' inability to tell<BR>
> one asian race from another: usually, I get it about<BR>
> right (though some chinese look korean).<BR>
<BR>
Okay, I have to ask this after hearing that.  I am a typical white<BR>
anglosaxon Aussie male.  I am one of those people you mention that cannot<BR>
distinguish a Japanese from a Korean from a Chinese.  I know ALL my friends<BR>
have the same problem, but I must say, my family and I have hosted 18<BR>
Japanese students between the ages of 10 (one boy only), and 15 to 22 years<BR>
of age, both male and female over the last 6 years, with stays from 1-week<BR>
to 5-weeks.<BR>
<BR>
Of ALL 18 of these Japanese students, not one could tell the difference<BR>
between the Chinese and Japanese that worked in the local Sushi Train<BR>
restaurant.  Add to this their friends hosted by other families that we<BR>
often had outings with and that makes 36+ students that couldn't tell, and<BR>
add to this the adult teacher Escorts that couldn't tell (in fact, one TE I<BR>
have become close to and correspond with regularly, told me flatly that he<BR>
couldn't tell a Korean, Chinese, or Japanese from each other when I once<BR>
asked that question) and you are starting to get a higher demographic still.<BR>
<BR>
So, what I'm asking is, are you extremely aware of such racial differences<BR>
in appearance to those Asian races, to be able to tell such things, and are<BR>
all those Japanese we dealt with ordinary, or are all those Japanese just<BR>
ignorant of something common and you are normal?<BR>
<BR>
I know for myself, that I have Irish, Scottish, and English friends, blond<BR>
haired and blue eyed, that if you didn't listen to their last names (Meehan,<BR>
Gilmour, etc.), don't look particularly Irish, Scottish, or English over a<BR>
blond hairer, blue eyed German friend (Kurtt) that I also know well?  In<BR>
fact, put two of them together and the German bloke and they look like<BR>
brothers!!  How do you tell?  What's the secret?<BR>
<BR>
- -- The Roc<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 09:20:46 +1000<BR>
From: "Alan Bradley" <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au><BR>
Subject: Re: back on topic?  was: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
<BR>
> From: Kenji Schwarz <BR>
> On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Alan Bradley wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > Going OT:  the above is actually influenced by some posts I got on<BR>
> > another list, on the topic of gun control!  Apparently, the civil<BR>
> > rights movement in the US, one of the classic "nonviolent" movements,<BR>
> > was defended by a very large proportion of its members possessing guns.<BR>
> > This resulting in the white hood brigade suffering some very<BR>
> > embarrassing setbacks....  <BR>
> <BR>
> What incident was that?  I can only think of that incident in South<BR>
> Carolina in '82 ('83?) where the guns were distributed overwhelmingly<BR>
> otherwise.<BR>
<BR>
I was referring to some incidents in the late '50s - the "classic" Martin<BR>
Luther King period.  It was also the period that gave rise to people like<BR>
Malcolm X, and, a little later, the Black Panthers.  Native Americans got<BR>
in on the game, too, I gather.<BR>
<BR>
You are right, of course, in that the terror usually goes the other way.<BR>
<BR>
OBTRAV:  Like I mentioned, don't mess with Vargr living in the Imperium. <BR>
At least one of the Kforuzeng's rival corsair bands ended up there.<BR>
<BR>
Oh, a question:<BR>
In the OTU, who has killed the most sentients:<BR>
(a) the Ine Givar<BR>
(b) Sternmetall Horizons<BR>
(c) Ling Standard Products<BR>
(d) Tukera Lines<BR>
<BR>
A hint:  It's not (a).<BR>
<BR>
Alan Bradley<BR>
alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 09:44:25 -0500<BR>
From: "Vincent P. Runci" <vahid@prodigy.net><BR>
Subject: Belter Reference<BR>
<BR>
Has there ever been anything official in the way<BR>
of Asteroid Mining in any of the Traveller incarnations?<BR>
- - --<BR>
The boxed set "Beltstrike" deals with"riches and danger in the Bowman Belt"<BR>
(located in District 268 of the Spinward marches) and contains a booklet<BR>
entitled "Belter's Handbook"  Chapter titles include:  Belter characters,<BR>
Mining the Asteroids, Zero Gravity, Low Gravity, Ships, and Equipment.  It<BR>
is copyright 1984 so I suppose this makes it a late CT product.<BR>
<BR>
Vince<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 10:07:56 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Mars exploration<BR>
<BR>
At 20:01 -0500 18/12/99, "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net> wrote:<BR>
>Speaking of making a profit in space.  Is there anything<BR>
>about asteroid mining in Traveller?  I seem to remember<BR>
>a flow-chart kind of thing in one of the TAS issues.  I<BR>
>believe that it even made it into one of the Best Of TAS<BR>
>issues.  Has there ever been anything official in the way<BR>
>of Asteroid Mining in any of the Traveller incarnations?<BR>
<BR>
The module 'Beltstrike' from CT is all about Asteroid mining. My FLGS <BR>
has  a copy....<BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
<BR>
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------<BR>
                        MiB - Marines in Battledress<BR>
    "Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"<BR>
Rob Prior's Mac software @ http://www.bits.org.uk/ <BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:15:39 -0000<BR>
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
<BR>
> One thing you probably do not need is an auto weapon. Too<BR>
>cumbersom and to easy to expend (waste) what would be a limited ammo<BR>
>supply.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I have a friend who went on a scientific expedition to the arctic with some<BR>
British Schools organisation who told me that they were advised to carry at<BR>
least a pump-action shotgun, because it would likely take more than two<BR>
rounds to stop a polar bear.<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 08:59:56 -0700<BR>
From: cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com><BR>
Subject: Re: WARNING:  Punning in Progress (Re: Silly Traveller)<BR>
<BR>
>>>         Go ohm with the puns already....<BR>
>><BR>
>>So, watt exactly are you trying to tell me?<BR>
>><BR>
>        Simply that y'all exceding my capacitance for this sort of thing.<BR>
<BR>
>These puns is beginning to hertz us...<BR>
<BR>
I think we should just drop the current discussion thread...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
     Glenn St-Germain  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada <BR>
cos90@powersurfr.com  http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn<BR>
        "There is no longer any normal to be"<BR>
                                 -- Gary Numan<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 08:58:33 -0700<BR>
From: cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Merging the US and Canada<BR>
<BR>
>	As for military take-over, I sometimes wonder why it hasn't<BR>
>happened yet.  No offence to our army men (both of you) but it would be<BR>
>something of a cake-walk for the U.S. to take over Canada.  Apparently<BR>
>plans have been drawn up on both sides of the border for just such an<BR>
>eventuality.<BR>
<BR>
Take a look at the first third of Richard Rohmer's novel "Exxoneration"<BR>
for the enactment of such a scenario. While I tend to find Rohmer's<BR>
political viewpoint a little extreme, and the second two-thirds of this<BR>
book (the follow-up to another book, "Ultimatum") to be hilariously<BR>
unrealistic (PetroCan buys Exxon while Canada joins OPEC? Yeah, right...),<BR>
the first third is a fun read.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>	Another possibility which has been mentioned is the seperation of<BR>
>Quebec leading the maritimes to joine the US.  I really don't see why this<BR>
>would be the case.  Alaska is physically seperate from the 48 continental<BR>
>states, but it doesn't get any sudden urges to join Canada or Russia.<BR>
<BR>
Alaska also has an important resource that allows a certain amount of<BR>
self-sufficienty: oil reserves. The Maritime provinces, on the other hand,<BR>
are a financial drain on the rest of the country.<BR>
<BR>
>Presumably post-seperation relations between Canada and Quebec would be<BR>
>reasonably peaceful (though tense), allowing Canadian cargoes through and<BR>
>so on.<BR>
<BR>
The minute Quebec does anything to disrupt the flow of traffic on the<BR>
Seaway (which, by treaty, is an international waterway), the US military<BR>
will step in to put a stop to it.<BR>
<BR>
>Not that I want any of this, I think<BR>
>Quebec would be economically shooting itself in the foot (or maybe the<BR>
>head) by seperating.<BR>
<BR>
Still, once Quebec is gone, the government can't use the "national unity<BR>
crisis" as an excuse to put more important issues (high taxes, the economy)<BR>
on the back burner.<BR>
<BR>
>	The most likely scenario I see, given the present trend towards<BR>
>everyone wanting their own individual state ("The Republic of Bob", "The<BR>
>Republic of Tracy"...), is a fragmentation of Canada and perhaps the US as<BR>
>well into a number of independent states within a free-trade zone.  I<BR>
<BR>
Ever read Neal Stephenson's novel Snow Crash? The ultimate in a balkanized<BR>
United States is depicted therein.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
     Glenn St-Germain  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada <BR>
cos90@powersurfr.com  http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn<BR>
        "There is no longer any normal to be"<BR>
                                 -- Gary Numan<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 19:31:35 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: RE: Mergins the US and Canada<BR>
<BR>
>	I think that it is safe to say that Canada is<BR>
>	considerably more socialist than the USA.<BR>
<BR>
Depends on what you're talking about. We have socialized medicine, they<BR>
don't.  OTOH, their farmers get far more in subsidies than our's do, and<BR>
they actually have more government-owned corporations than we do (we call<BR>
them crown corporations, they have a variety of names) -- at least, they<BR>
did in 1991.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 11:22:58 -0500<BR>
From: "Thom Harris" <thomharr@mediaone.net><BR>
Subject: Re: WARNING:  Punning in Progress (Re: Silly Traveller)<BR>
<BR>
So I guess bringing up the amp's ears is totally out of resonance with this<BR>
line of thinking? Watt would change if we did. Hhhuuuummm, I guess about 60<BR>
of us are in this cycle now.<BR>
<BR>
Thom Harris<BR>
<BR>
So there we were, 8 against 100!!!!!<BR>
Toughest 8 we ever fought.<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "cos 90" <cos90@powersurfr.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 10:59 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: WARNING: Punning in Progress (Re: Silly Traveller)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> >>>         Go ohm with the puns already....<BR>
> >><BR>
> >>So, watt exactly are you trying to tell me?<BR>
> >><BR>
> >        Simply that y'all exceding my capacitance for this sort of thing.<BR>
><BR>
> >These puns is beginning to hertz us...<BR>
><BR>
> I think we should just drop the current discussion thread...<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>      Glenn St-Germain  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada<BR>
> cos90@powersurfr.com  http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn<BR>
>         "There is no longer any normal to be"<BR>
>                                  -- Gary Numan<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
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